Mike Love:

Your mic is on. Man, we got a lot of stuff to talk about in episode two. This episode is called The Last Breath. I’m telling you, I’m overwhelmed emotionally. I’ve cried. There’s nothing to laugh about. I wanted to get involved with the protests and a lot of stuff that was going on, but it was almost impossible. But let’s get a word from Martin Luther King Jr.

Martin Luther King Jr:

We say to our government, we even say to our FBI. We will not be harassed. We will not make a butchering of our custom. We will not be intimidated and we will be heard.

Mike Love:

The O’Jays, you’ve got to Give The People What They Want. There’s so much going on in our country and we’re going to talk about people of color. And I think we need to just talk about what has happened in the last nine or 10 days in this country. But before we get started, I got some special guests here with Mike Love. This is Mike Love radio, and I want to introduce to you a good friend of mine. We worked together almost 20 years ago. I want to say 25 years ago. Ladies and gentlemen, put your hands together for Teena love.

Teena Love:

Hello, hello, hello.

Mike Love:

And also, Teena, thank you for joining us on the show. We got the big boss and he ain’t taking no stuff today. Easy.

The Big Boss Eric:

None.

Mike Love:

None?

The Big Boss Eric:

None.

Mike Love:

E-Dub is here with me, my son here.

The Big Boss Eric:

Senator Booker said today [crosstalk 00:05:56].

Mike Love:

What did he say?

The Big Boss Eric:

He said on the Senate floor debating with Rand Paul from Kentucky, the Senator from Kentucky.

Mike Love:

Wow.

Teena Love:

Wow.

Mike Love:

He needed to debate Rand Paul. That guy’s like… And he’s a doctor. I would never go to him. I would never go to him. But speaking of doctors and health, we’ve gone through a pandemic for the last 90 days and it’s called COVID-19 and it’s affected a lot of people. And even with this protest that we’re going to get into for the murder of George Floyd, I don’t know if the numbers have gone down, have they gone up? Where do we stand? Because we’ve gotten totally away from that. Do you guys have any information on that?

The Big Boss Eric:

Well, the CDC is currently projecting that more than 127,000 total US coronavirus deaths are expected by June 27th. The director is saying that protesters should be tested for the coronavirus because he sees an upcoming seeding event.

Teena Love:

Yeah.

Mike Love:

That’s incredible. And you know what I was looking at a lot of those guys that were protesting were talking to like the national guard in DC and they were standing directly in their faces and none of the guard guys had masks on. What was that about?

Teena Love:

I think we’re just forgetting because of the passion and the heat of everything, I think the people are just kind of forgetting. Now we’ve reopened and people are out again. And so I think we’ve kind of put our guards down a little bit, but you know, as Eric has just said, I mean, we have to remember, this is still lurking out there, so we have to be careful.

Mike Love:

Well, no pun intended put your guard down. The national guard had their guard down. And I mean, they did a good job of not being disturbed or taken by the words that were being said to them. But the mere fact that they were out there protecting us, they were unprotected. That’s crazy.

Teena Love:

Yeah, a lot of people are.

Mike Love:

Wow.

The Big Boss Eric:

And you know…

Mike Love:

So we’re up 24,000.

The Big Boss Eric:

Yeah. And you know, they say the tear gas, which we’ve seen a lot in the news. If you watch on any news, even if it’s CNN, Fox News, you’re on the internet, you’re seeing people be tear gas used on them and that’s an effective way for coronavirus to spread because it causes people to cough.

Teena Love:

Here we go.

Mike Love:

Wow, that’s crazy. Well, we’ve had a week of radical distress, protesting. I want to ask you guys a question. Do you think that these protests really worked?

Teena Love:

What I’ve noticed, what I think that has been positive about it is I’ve seen a lot more white people, or a lot more diversity anyway, in the crowds. I’ve seen a lot more white people and something that just really touched my heart was to see white people standing in front of black people in front of the cops. I mean, when I saw that, I was just like, wow, hats off to those folks because they knew it would be less likely that the police would come through them to get to the black people. So they stood in front and I just, that really, really warmed my heart. Hats off to them.

Mike Love:

Now we did have a white supremacist group. I think it’s called Antifa.

Teena Love:

A-N-T-I-F-A? Yes.

Mike Love:

Yeah. And so now the word is is that they were there to kind of disturb the protest. So do we know? And I know that’s like a rhetorical question because we don’t know the difference between the people who were really there for us to support us, as people of color, and the ones who were there just to make problems for us to make this protest look bad. You know, we had a lot of buildings burned and disruption out there, and it was so much stuff, but I’m with you. I’m glad that we were able to come together as one America in this protest to get the voice out. And I was just wondering, and I guess we found out that it was pretty effective because the police department in Minneapolis had to work pretty quick because they were demanding that first of all, the guy that had his knee in the neck of George Floyd, he finally got charged with third-degree murder and then it was up to second-degree murder. And then a couple of days later, the other three guys were also brought in on charges as well.

Teena Love:

Right. Right. Something else that I noticed that was positive is that there were police officers, police officers in different cities that walked alongside some of the protesters. There were police officers that actually kneeled. I think I even saw in one city where the police officers were apologizing, kneeling, and apologizing for what has happened. So I think that was something else that I noticed that was very, very positive that has come out of all of this.

The Big Boss Eric:

Yeah. I agree. Now, one thing I do want to jump in and say really fast is Antifa is actually not a right-wing… What was the word you used?

Mike Love:

Supremacist group.

The Big Boss Eric:

…white supremacist group. That stands for like anti-fascist, which is basically the opposite.

Mike Love:

Wow.

The Big Boss Eric:

And you know, what’s happening right now is you see what’s typical of our current leadership, our current president is that they play the blame game with people who are not to blame. And that has been rebuked several times as he says that the far left-wing group, Antifa, which is essentially just an antifascist political movement, is to behind this. And what they are finding is that people are popping up on the internet, on these Reddit posts and all these dark web places. There are white supremacists that are trying to act like Antifa or an Antifa movement so people or the public will believe that the Antifa movement is actually causing this. No different than if they’re saying that the black people are the only people looting or that that’s what this whole protest is about. It’s just a loop. You understand?

Teena Love:

Right.

The Big Boss Eric:

It’s a shame that it’s even getting us confused because I had to do the research myself, like who is Antifa, just to find out that it’s totally opposite of the things that we heard from Trump. I wish that more people knew about that.

Mike Love:

Well, I’m glad you corrected me on that because, like I said, I didn’t know anything about it, first time I’d heard about the group, but I just felt there was a set up in there somewhere. We were very true in our spirit to make a noise, to get the attention of our government and other people who have prejudice us in the past. And then all of a sudden their Starbucks catches on fire. And then the precinct there, I mean, it was just a lot of stuff going on.

Teena Love:

Oh yeah.

The Big Boss Eric:

Yeah. But, to answer your question, I think it’s working. Honestly, I don’t know that we would see these other police officers charged. I don’t know that we would see that they would take in the charge of the original officer, the one that had his knee the neck, from third-degree to second-degree murder. I don’t know that we would have seen it moved out of the hands of the Hennepin County district attorney’s office to the state where it should be. I think that none of that would’ve happened without days of protest and days of unrest.

Teena Love:

Well, and I also think that because we’re getting global attention now with protests, that’s something else that’s come out of this that’s positive is that this is not only in our country, but I’m hearing about protests in New Zealand. I’m hearing about protests in Australia and everywhere. And I think that’s even made an impact on all of this as well.

The Big Boss Eric:

Speaking of Australians, I don’t know if you guys saw the news article that came out of an Australian who was traveling via United Airlines to Australia, I believe it was. And she stood up after the plane landed in Los Angeles, maybe where connection was, to be speak up against what’s happening in the United States. And they were giving her a hard time, didn’t want to let her board her next flight. But, people would ask her like why she didn’t go protest. And she’s like, well, I couldn’t protest cause I have to travel. But just because I couldn’t protest doesn’t mean that I couldn’t speak up. I spoke up where I could, where I thought it’d be most effective and made sure that I shared my voice.

Teena Love:

Wow.

Mike Love:

Well, in our day and time, social media has had an adverse… What word do I want to say? …effect on their situation because if you go back to when I was a kid, 1968, Martin Luther King was assassinated and we only saw it on the large networks, ABC, CBS, and NBC. And so we didn’t have any other information pouring into us, no 24-hour news channels, no way to communicate among each other to really talk about what’s going on. And we saw social media at its highest level. And I believe in my time, this is the largest and most effective protest that I’ve ever seen.

Teena Love:

I think so. I think you’re right.

Mike Love:

Incredible. Incredible.

The Big Boss Eric:

It’s very powerful.

Teena Love:

It is.

Mike Love:

Well, let’s take a-

The Big Boss Eric:

[crosstalk 00:15:18].

Mike Love:

Go ahead. I’m sorry.

The Big Boss Eric:

I was just going to say what a time to like witnesses this. I mean, we are part of the history that’s being written today.

Mike Love:

But you know, this is your generation, Eric, that really made the movement. We saw a lot of young folks out there. It looks like a lot of millennial’s and a lot of X and Y’s that were out there. So how does it make you feel?

The Big Boss Eric:

Well, honestly, I mean, it’s a very powerful message because I think that what is really troubling is as you grow up, especially my generation, you’re taught that racism existed when in the sixties and that’s what the civil rights movement was about, now it’s over. And then you go out into the world and you find out very quickly that it’s not over and that your voice is pretty much silenced if you try to speak up about it. And that’s very tough because as you become an adult and you get into the workforce and as you navigate through your friends and families, you understand very quickly where people stand on it and it hurts. It hurts a lot when you know that there’s not a lot that you can do about it. And so to see this, to see people understand, like, we see. We know what’s really happening still and just because the mass changed, doesn’t mean that it went away.

The Big Boss Eric:

We know that there is still a lot of racism, there is a lot of hatred, there’s a lot of bigotry. And to see people come together to fight against that, and like Tina said, like so many people that are not black come out and stand in front of us to protect us, to march with us, to speak against us, to speak to their people of their own race, especially white people who are saying I’m a white person and if, friend or family, if you can’t figure this out, if you don’t want to listen, if you don’t attempt to seek to understand, then we have no business speaking to each other. And that’s powerful. Same with companies that are speaking up and saying, it’s fine if we lose customers, so be it.

Mike Love:

But then on the other side, we’ve had corporate America coming out and talking about, I think it was what, like SoftBank is putting up like a hundred million dollars. And a lot of companies are putting press releases out, addressing the racial tension and how they feel. And the message, I think the protesting worked for the message, but where I was really disturbed was with looting because it almost convoluted, no mixture of words there, of the message. How do we keep that distraction out of it?

The Big Boss Eric:

Well, I think a lot of it is about what we spoke before with, the misinformation of which left-wing or right-wing group is out here causing these issues. I mean, it’s widely known now that a lot of this looting starts with, whether it be a white supremacist group or another radical organization that is seeking to create unrest. What’s disturbing to me is, is when that does happen, when us, as black people, get involved in a negative way.

Mike Love:

Right.

The Big Boss Eric:

If you see a white kid come up with his skateboard and smashing a window, don’t you go jumping through that window.

Mike Love:

True.

The Big Boss Eric:

We shouldn’t jump on that. There was a video the other day, and I’ll share it with you guys after this, of a mother who was out there beating down her child, black mother, black child, like, don’t you be out here doing this. I had taught you better. What’s wrong with you? Cause he was trying to cause chaos. And she was like, how am I seeing you on TV? You know, she came down…

Mike Love:

It not funny, but it is really the truth.

The Big Boss Eric:

Cause she was like, I know I didn’t just see you on TV doing that.

Teena Love:

Yeah.

The Big Boss Eric:

It was a smack. I mean, and it was like, everybody was like, listen, you got caught, bro.

Mike Love:

You got caught out here bad.

The Big Boss Eric:

You got caught out here, bad. Nobody’s coming for your rescue.

Teena Love:

And you know, you had guys out there that was bucking up to the military, bucking up to the police like, yo man, if you didn’t had that uniform on, if you didn’t have that gun, man, if you didn’t had a mace, man, you know me and you’d be going down and I’m like, back off of that. That’s not the point that we’re trying to make. So, we just have to really work at being effective. This, I think we can say, was an effective protest. Well, we all [crosstalk 00:19:53]

The Big Boss Eric:

[crosstalk 00:19:53] Yes, but what I will say is, is that as negative as the looting and the rioting is, I think it played an overall positive impact. And that’s probably the unpopular opinion of the day, but finance rules the world.

Mike Love:

That’s true.

The Big Boss Eric:

And when it started costing businesses, money, they were like, oh wait a minute, hold up. Figure out a way. Figure it out. I don’t care what you got to do. Put a stop to this. Because like, an insurance company is probably on the phone, like, no, we’re not going to keep paying out billions of dollars in claims because you can’t get your city right. So however you come across it, it doesn’t matter, don’t really care. Figure it out. Sadly, we’re hearing our commander-in-chief, that’s what he’s supposed to be, is saying let’s unleash the military on our own citizens, but [crosstalk 00:20:40]

Mike Love:

And you can’t do that.

The Big Boss Eric:

No.

Mike Love:

Yeah, because the laws that cover the military are different than the laws that the police department, local law enforcement. Because the military can come out and basically shoot you in the head and they won’t be charged with it versus local police officers that are going to jail if you can’t prove why you murdered or injured someone with your gun.

The Big Boss Eric:

Right.

Teena Love:

Well, I think he’s walking that back now. I think he’s saying, now he’s saying something different. I’ll just put it that way.

Mike Love:

Well that’s because the generals are coming out. I mean he’s had guys that are defense secretaries of the past administrations. And so these guys are coming out and saying, you can’t use the military like that because what the military is charged to do is get control by any means necessary. So that can’t happen. That can happen. And we saw-

The Big Boss Eric:

And not on American soil.

Mike Love:

And not on American soil because we saw that in Louisiana when we had the Katrina. And so, once again, that had to be controlled at all costs because they were there to police the situation. But they have a lot more jurisdiction as the military than the local police do.

Teena Love:

Yeah.

The Big Boss Eric:

Right. And so I think it’s, yeah, very important that he does walk that back. I mean I think, at this point, he’s starting to see. It’s like I said before, I think he’ll say any radical thing, true or not, that he thinks will rile up support. And there are probably people out there, I mean, I know there is for a fact, that support this action because they don’t value the lives of their fellow Americans or just humans in general. However, the majority of the people are like, okay, you know what? This is too much, calm down.

Mike Love:

Yeah, it really is.

The Big Boss Eric:

You know, like there’s a point to where they’re like, just stop.

Teena Love:

But you know, we’re coming into an election cycle and so it’s truly being affected. And so now it’s put both parties at odds to really come up with something that’s going to make sense when somebody goes and post a vote for you at the polls. This is going to be a totally different scenario.

The Big Boss Eric:

And that’s going to be the real question. And I don’t know what you guys think about this, but I see a lot of protesters. I see a lot of movement, a lot of talks, but people can get into that booth in private.

Mike Love:

Yeah. It’s what the curtain’s there for.

The Big Boss Eric:

Yup, that’s what the curtain’s there for. So if you really want to know, obviously we won’t be able to pinpoint who exactly. But if you want to know if this country saw movement you’ll know it [inaudible 00:23:14].

Teena Love:

We sure will. Sure will. There’s something else I want to just mention because Mike when you were talking about Eric, his generation, the millennial’s and all that, I was thinking about the fact that when you look back at Martin Luther King and all of them and the age that they were during the civil rights movement, they were young, they were about that age. So I think that’s really something that the young people are coming out and being so bold and so strong because it really reminds me of Dr. Martin Luther King in that time. They were so brave and I’m seeing that same thing today. [crosstalk 00:23:54]

Mike Love:

And the situation was a lot different because they were getting hit with water from fire hoses, dogs being sicked on them, no protection from the police department. I mean, some of the crimes there were really, really bad.

Teena Love:

Yes.

The Big Boss Eric:

And back then it wasn’t a crime.

Mike Love:

Yeah. That’s true.

The Big Boss Eric:

That’s what they were fighting for. So, it’s just interesting that, yeah, you’re right. I mean, obviously they’re not going to, well, we hope that they won’t be using fire hoses on protesters and they’re not going to be throwing objects at them. They’re not going to be releasing dogs or other ominous weapons. I think that it’s important to note though, that they’re still using tear gas, they’re still using flash bombs. And I went out to a protest in Santa Monica last Sunday, early in the day before I felt like it would be any looters or things out there. And just as soon as it started a flashbang. I don’t know if you’ve ever been near one, but on the TV, sounds loud, in person, it’s no comparison.

Mike Love:

Wow.

The Big Boss Eric:

It sounded like the entire block just exploded right next to me. Like the first thing you think is, is the ground about to collapse? What just happened? It was so loud and it shook so much that you’re just like, whoa, this isn’t an earthquake. Something exploded. Am I okay? And then you’re trying to figure out, and then people start running and then it becomes mass chaos. And you just realize that they’re doing the same thing with new techniques because it’s not necessary.

Mike Love:

That’s incredible.

The Big Boss Eric:

If there are 50 of you standing in a line and then one person goes and smashes a window, you mean to tell me two or three of you couldn’t break away and go get that one person.

Mike Love:

Wow.

The Big Boss Eric:

It took you throwing in tear gas, it took you throwing in flash. I saw them throw a flashbang right next to somebody’s foot when it exploded. And I was like-

Mike Love:

Were they injured?

The Big Boss Eric:

No, I don’t think so, but it’s just noise. Maybe they can’t hear anymore. But, the thing is, if it was that loud and scary across the street, I mean, what was it like right next to your feet? You know? And not really hearing the clink, clink, clink, clink. And when you realize what’s happening, it’s too late.

Teena Love:

Oh my God.

Mike Love:

That is incredible.

The Big Boss Eric:

You know? And when I saw that they threw it at the feet of two people protecting an REI in Santa Monica, they were keeping looters from getting in, and then they get hit with that. And then you wonder why people are angry. That person was protecting a business.

Teena Love:

Wow.

Mike Love:

Well, you know what I want to do. I’m going to take a moment before we close out the show to take a breath. Let’s all take a breath together. Let’s just take a deep breath and just let’s take a breath. You ready? On the count of three. One, two, three. My God, Tina, you got a list of…

Teena Love:

I do.

Mike Love:

Men and some women who have fallen into the distrustful hands of law enforcement officers around the country. Could you give us the names, please?

Teena Love:

Leading all the way back to 1973, up until now. Clifford Glover, Claude Reese, Randolph Evans, Corey Jones, Yvonne Smallwood, Amando Diallo, Sean Bell, Oscar Grant, Aiyana Jones Reddit, Trayvon Martin, Jordan Davis, Jonathan Ferrell, Eric Garner, Mike Brown, John Crawford, Tamir Rice, Sandra Bland, Freddie Gray, Philando Castile, Stephon Clark, Botham Jean, Tatiana Jefferson, Brianna Taylor, Ahmad Aubery and George Floyd. Now keeping in mind, Trayvon Martin, Jordan Davis, and Ahmad Aubrey, police officers did not kill them, but they were sort of, air quotes, want to be police officers, right? George Zimmerman pursuing Trayvon [crosstalk 00:28:01].

The Big Boss Eric:

Neighborhood watch.

Teena Love:

Neighborhood watch. So that’s just to keep that in mind.

Mike Love:

Wow, incredible. How can people reach you, Teena?

Teena Love:

How can they reach me? Well, they can listen to The Lover’s Lounge podcast that is on Apple, Google, Spotify, Stitcher, YouTube, and iHeartRadio.

Mike Love:

Thank you for hanging out with me today. I love you so much.

Teena Love:

Love you too guys.

Mike Love:

Big boss.

The Big Boss Eric:

Yo.

Mike Love:

E-Double.

The Big Boss Eric:

E-Double?

Mike Love:

So I guess-

The Big Boss Eric:

That’s my new radio name.

Mike Love:

Yeah, right.

The Big Boss Eric:

I like it.

Mike Love:

I was going to be funny and say, I guess he’s not that important. So if people need to reach you, they need to take out the Mike Love Radio podcasts cause you’ll be hanging out with your dad each and every weekend. Teena will be back as well.

Teena Love:

[crosstalk 00:28:51].

Mike Love:

And hopefully, I’ll get a chance to be on The Lover’s Lounge with Teena Love as well. How about that? Any parting words as far as what we can expect next, guys.

The Big Boss Eric:

Well I’ll, no go ahead.

Teena Love:

I was just going to say because a lot of times people are saying now, well, white people are asking the question, what can they do? You know, what can they do now to maybe help the situation? Because there are people that really do want to help. I say the biggest thing is not to remain silent because when you remain silent, you look away, you act as though it hasn’t happened. Silence can be…

Mike Love:

Golden.

Teena Love:

Well, that could be perceived as consent.

Mike Love:

Yeah, that is true.

Teena Love:

I think that’s the biggest thing. Speak up, hold people accountable. Yeah.

Mike Love:

E-Double?

The Big Boss Eric:

And educate yourself just to piggyback off of Teena’s point. Educate yourself. The one thing that I want to share is I want black people to also educate yourself. Don’t just vote. Learn why you’re voting, learn what you’re voting for. Learn what the want to be elected officials, your presumptive elected officials, are standing for. Give them the reasons why you want to vote for them. Don’t let them come into your neighborhoods or communities and tell them what they’re going to do for you. You tell them what your expectations and if they want to earn your vote, they need that promise that those expectations will be met.

Mike Love:

I agree. And I’m going to leave you guys with this. You got to fight the power and you got to fight to the power that be. The Last Breath, episode two, Mike Love Radio podcast. Thank you guys. Take care.

The Big Boss Eric:

Thank you.

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